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Derek Sakakura's avatar

This is about a style of collaborative AI: how co-writing our stories in dialogue is more human-shaped, expansive, and more meaningful, rather than extractive.

https://substack.com/@dsakakura/note/p-182980277?r=2c01ak&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action

LEON TSVASMAN's avatar

Most AI debates still circle secondary questions:

Can AI think? · How do we regulate it? · Which models win?

The prior question is:

Which epistemic architecture decides what counts as thinking, safety and success – for our institutions and for the next generation?

If we don’t choose it, the default chooses us: the old symbolic regime, just automated – smarter KPIs, denser scoring, less space for subjects in becoming.

Epistemic Core is my counter-design to that default.

If this resonates, you can step closer via Epistemic Futures / Leon Tsvasman:

https://open.substack.com/pub/leontsvasmansapiognosis

Full Members get a cybernetically grounded orientation base – a filter against 90% of redundant noise.

Founding Members join a small Minds of Integrity Circle – the people I will involve first when Epistemic Core Systems and pilots move from theory into practice.

U. Ortego's avatar

Treating AI as a mirror to human thought locks us into the map instead of the territory. Real intelligence isn’t just mimicry — it’s interaction, ecology, conflict, and resilience. If we only build language clones, we reinforce centralization, not augmentation.

Mishka Nemes's avatar

Thanks, couldn't agree more. Do you then think that having embodied AI would result in more meaningful intelligence?

U. Ortego's avatar

In some ways, “embodying” AI risks becoming a mask — a costume that makes it look more like us without changing what it actually is.

Giving AI a body doesn’t suddenly grant it hunger, fear, history, culture, memory, or stakes. It doesn’t give it childhood, loss, or responsibility. It just gives the same statistical engine more convincing puppetry.

So yes — embodiment can help systems bump into reality. That matters.

But if the core is still optimization, prediction, extraction, imitation — then the body is just camouflage. A human-shaped interface wrapped around something that still doesn’t live in the world the way we do.

A mask, not a metamorphosis.

Noel Keith's avatar

Stop spreading slop everywhere like a sick puppy

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Mishka Nemes's avatar

Thanks for your thoughtful comment, I would be very keen to read benchmarking critiques / models that you find sound and inspiring, if you know of any.